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Posted by wmmbb in Australian Politics, Democracy, US Politics.

This could be what democracy might look like.

One of the interesting developments in the Occupy Movement that has some lineage in Egypt and Spain, then Wall Street, and now Melbourne is not just the decision process but the actual decisions that are produced.

If you do not live in Australia and don’t watch television, you may not know there is a visitor to Australia, who is far to too old to travel on the Ghan (the train from Darwin to Alice Springs) but apparently can travel from London to various cities around this country. Mrs Windsor and her consort are not to be the object of demonstrators from Occupy Melbourne. An interesting tactical decision.

ABC News Online reports:

At a meeting on the lawns of the State Library to decide on any further action, hundreds of Occupy Melbourne activists decided it was not right to disrupt the appearance.

“People were concerned that protesting would just produce a belligerent front for Occupy Melbourne,” protester Jeff Reinten said.

“[It would] undermine the process which we are actually in which is consensus building and direct democracy open to the entire community and all of the people of the world to contribute to positive change.”

However he says Tuesday’s vote was close, with some feeling the Queen’s visit would have been a powerful opportunity.

“The Queen herself represented certain elements of the things we protest,” Mr Reinten said.

“She is an empowered individual who has been invested with her privilege hereditarily.

“They felt that it would be a valid platform to make a statement about the things we believe in.”

Protesters and police clashed last week after Occupy Melbourne was ordered out of the CBD, where they had been camping.

Police used capsicum spray, horses and dogs to push the activists out, with officers dragging some protesters away.

Last night’s three-hour gathering of about 250 Occupy Melbourne members outside the library was incident free and was also featured a large police presence.

Surely it is odd that “a large police presence” was felt necessary.


Occupy Oakland has been broken up by police. CNN reported that protesters threw rocks and bottles.The live stream report shows the police allowing the media to record the aftermath of their actions.

Noam Chomsky addresses Occupy Boston without an apparent police presence:

C W Nevius at the San Francisco Chronicle takes the lead in demanding that police clear out the Occupy SF protesters. His justification is based on sanitation and the presence of homeless people.

Contrary to the statement of the Oakland Police Department (OPD) it appears that the bombs or flashbangs were thrown from or behind the police lines.

An extract from the OPD statement accompanies the you tube:

“During the evening protest, a number of officers were assaulted, doused with hazardous materials and hit with large rocks and bottles, which resulted in the declaration of an unlawful assembly and the order to disperse. To assist in the dispersal efforts, officers used less lethal force tactics.

At approximately 10:00pm this evening, a group of approximately 300 protesters in the area of Frank Ogawa Plaza began throwing large rocks and bottles at officers after receiving the order to disperse, which again prompted the use of less than lethal munitions.”

OPD released a Q&A.

Q. Did the Police deploy rubber bullets, flash-bag grenades?
A. No, the loud noises that were heard originated from M-80 explosives thrown at
Police by protesters. In addition, Police fired approximately four bean bag rounds
at protesters to stop them from throwing dangerous objects at the officer
Quote from OPD in their public brief to the city of Oakland.

This is direct evidence of oakland police using flashbangs against protesters.

CLEARLY these people are trying to help a woman that is on the ground hurt or something else.
This footage was shot originally by KTVU BELIEVE IT OR NOT! I recapped to see if I could iso the police that were throwing flashbangs.

The orginal video can be viewed @ http://www.ktvu.com/video/29587714/index.html

POSTSCRIPT: The title has assumed an irony that was not intended.



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